In their most unfiltered conversation yet, Rion De'Rouen and Arcturus Ra pulled no punches in episode 5 of Cosmic-Kind, tackling what it truly means to be a spiritual luminary in an age of Instagram enlightenment and AI-generated wisdom. Watch the full episode for a raw discussion on discernment, embodied experience, and the spiritual responsibility that comes with influence.

Arcturus Ra and Rion De'Rouen break down what makes a true spiritual teacher

How Do You Spot a Real Experiencer From a Spiritual 'News Anchor'?

"There's people sometimes they come on stage... they were not an experiencer. They were a regurgitator and news anchor with no experience just doing the job superficially," Arcturus Ra explained, drawing a vivid parallel to his rap career days. "I saw those people with fake gold chains at the corner claiming that they're the illest rapper and then there was the Saturday... rap contest. Guess what? They failed."

The hosts emphasized that real luminaries carry verifiable experience—not just curated storylines pulled from online forums. "I can see if you had an experience," Ra continued. "I looked at Travis Walton who was abducted in the 70s and I saw in his eyes he has left the planet... He is as real as it gets."

Rion added context from their years observing the spiritual community: "I've been awake 17 years. I've seen a lot of these people come and go... How many the top of their field, number one disclosure guy... come and go. Why are we still here? Because we made the real experience to actually do this for the right reasons."

The hosts discuss testing claims with evidence and direct experience

What's Wrong With Channeling Metatron and Other Entities?

In one of the episode's most provocative segments, the duo warned about channeling practices—particularly what they call "false Metatron" programming. Rion shared a disturbing observation: "Out of the six females over the last 17 years that have channeled Metatron, every single one... has had mental issues and psychosis afterwards."

Arcturus Ra recounted witnessing a channeler who believed she was connecting with divine source, but when he observed with his third eye open, he saw something different: "There's a cable going up to a computer. There's a being... sitting on a computer typing in what she's saying. And there's an audience watching."

"You are not trained enough to know when you're channeling a fishing site," Ra warned, comparing hijacked spiritual channels to phishing websites designed to steal information. "Same thing goes when if you channel the false plate of Metatron... you're being abused."

Rion clarified: "A real shaman, by the way... walks with you on the journey and doesn't do the medicine. They are so in tune, they can jump into the frequency you're already in because they've done it a hundred times." He compared fake shamans to surf instructors who've only read books but never actually surfed.

Why Do So Many Spiritual Influencers Disappear?

The conversation turned to accountability and longevity in spiritual work. "Do you know how many people we've seen come and go?" Rion asked. "We leave those videos out there as breadcrumbs because... maybe you guys can't follow what we're saying right now... But you can go back in time and click on a video I made 12 years ago."

Discussing the real tests of spiritual integrity in sacred places like Sedona

Living in Sedona itself serves as a test, they revealed. "88% of every single person that has moved to Sedona is gone within two years, they can't make the two-minute mark," Rion shared. "How do you even find the contact to be called? The test is in the physical, anchoring the spirit in and being here in the physical."

Arcturus Ra challenged viewers directly: "If you see people that come here and they say they had 40 ayahuasca trips and nothing has changed, stop. You are not even in a frequency to get any intel on anything." He advocated instead for integration: "Move into a holy place and live in it for more than two years. Face your shadow side, integrate that and handle it and do the work and show me mental stability and accountability."

The hosts also issued practical safety warnings about spiritual practices, from checking your health before entering sweat lodges to never mixing multiple plant medicines. "Your body's going to shut off. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with some of these protocols these people are doing," Rion said.

Perhaps most powerfully, both emphasized the responsibility that comes with spiritual influence. "We have thousands, hundreds of thousands of followers that watch us," Ra noted. "We can never form absolutes. We have to let you come to your own conclusions." Yet he was clear about their mission: "The door is closing on this incarnation cycle, this ascension cycle. We came down here at the end of the game to get our friends and family."

Watch the complete episode for the full unfiltered conversation about authentic spiritual experience, discernment in choosing teachers, and what it really means to embody truth in a world of spiritual performance.

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